Quantcast
Advertisement

Fact Checker | Obama's claim that Internet gun sellers 'operate under a different set of rules'

Rob Paige, with a model 1917 Army revolver, joins other activists during an Open Carry Walk in Arlington, Texas, on Friday, Jan. 1, 2016.<br>Brad Loper/Fort Worth Star-Telegram/TNS
Rob Paige, with a model 1917 Army revolver, joins other activists during an Open Carry Walk in Arlington, Texas, on Friday, Jan. 1, 2016.

"The problem is some gun sellers have been operating under a different set of rules.  A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the Internet with no background check, no questions asked."
— President Obama, remarks on gun proposals, Jan. 5, 2016

The Fact Checker's inbox just about exploded after the president made this comment in introducing new guidance for background checks and gun-safety proposals. 

We will leave aside the question about whether the president's announcement would make much difference – some experts are dubious – and look at this specific question: Is there a separate set of rules for the Internet?

The president referred to the Internet but, broadly speaking, he was talking about electronic commerce. E-commerce is the buying and selling of goods and services, or the transmitting of funds or data, over an electronic network, such as the Internet.

So this definition includes not just 130,000 gun dealers which hold a Federal Firearms License (FFL) that might sell goods over the Internet, but also online sales forums, such as Armslist.

A gun dealer must comply with federal laws which requires gun sellers to have licenses and perform background checks based upon whether they are "engaged in the business" of selling firearms, without regard for whether the sale is arranged on the Internet or in person.

A private transaction arranged by a buyer and seller on an online forum such Armslist- "the largest free gun classifieds on the web"- is somewhat different.

Any transaction across state lines still must be processed by an FFL in the home state of the buyer -which would conduct a background check. This was mandated in the Arms Control Act of 1968.

But if both the buyer and seller reside in the same state, then it becomes a transaction between two private individuals, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Private sellers are not required to see identification, keep records or conduct a background check. (Note: this is at the federal level. Eight states – California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington state – and the District of Columbia require background checks for all private sales, while Maryland and Pennsylvania require it for private handgun sales.)

These private sales are almost always going to take place in person, because shipping a gun is subject to various restrictions.

A Justice Department official provided the following example: "A person could post on a gun-for-sale website, get paid through PayPal, and then deliver the firearm at a public space. So long as both buyer and seller are residents of the same state, that transaction is lawful."

He added: "It is unlawful for the felon to do so, because their receipt of the firearm is illegal.  But the seller hasn't done anything wrong if the seller doesn't know that the buyer is prohibited."

The New York Times, in a 2013 article, asserted that "Armslist and similar sites function as unregulated bazaars, where the essential anonymity of the Internet allows unlicensed sellers to advertise scores of weapons and people legally barred from gun ownership to buy them."  Armlist, for its part, says "many, if not most, private sellers want to do background checks" but they find having to pay a fee to an FFL burdensome.

Administration officials say the president was also referring the so-called "dark web," which lies beyond the public Internet and which requires software or authorization to access. Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch told reporters on Jan. 4 that the ATF was planning to step up enforcement in "not just the Internet that we all access through regular stores' websites, but also the dark web, the Internet not accessible to the average consumer where illicit transactions, including those involving firearms, go on."

In November 2015, for instance, an Alabama man was sentenced to 51 months in prison for unlawfully selling and shipped at least 32 firearms to people all over the world – including Australia and Sweden -via the dark web.

---

This is a difficult claim to assess because a lot depends on how one reads Obama's remarks: "The problem is some gun sellers have been operating under a different set of rules.  A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the Internet with no background check, no questions asked."

Administration officials say his point was that electronic commerce has made it easier for prohibited people such as felons to obtain firearms (or to hide such transactions from scrutiny behind the dark Web). Put in those terms, his statement is reasonable. Illegal markets often exploit new forms of commerce.

But many readers believed Obama was asserting the rules were different for the Internet – that it legally permitted violent felons to obtain guns.

We agree that Obama's language is slippery and could be confusing to the average person who doesn't know anything about FFLs and state requirements. There is nothing unique about the Internet; the laws governing private transactions and interstate sales are exactly the same. It's the same as offering to sell a gun on a bulletin board, except the bulletin board is significantly larger. The Internet, and payment systems such as PayPal, have certainly facilitated transactions that in the past would have been more difficult to arrange.

Obama erred in saying the rules are different for Internet sellers. They face the same rules as other sellers – rules that the administration now says it will enforce better.
 

Join the conversation and share your voice.

Show Comments

Advertisement
Stripes.com Editors' Picks
Advertisement

 

Advertisement